Moving Pictures of Awe, Spectacle, and Doom
by rsbakker
For more than ten years now, I’ve been eking out a living writing The Second Apocalypse, determined–determined–to stay true to the vision, and convinced that it possessed real cultural reach, despite the sex, violence, and philosophy. Along the way, I’ve benefitted immensely from the guidance and support of those who have come to share that dark vision. My brother Bryan, who has a video production company called Bizbio Creative, has been urging me to take charge of the marketing side of my writing career for years now, and finally, after realizing the dimensions of my ineptitude, he contacted Jason Deem intent on creating a trailer from the gobsmacking Second Apocalypse artwork Jason has created over the years. The way my brother sees it, fans want to share their passion, and if you’re so preposterously lucky to have readers like I do, all you need do is give them something to share. I gotta tell you, it’s a wonderful and surreal thing seeing your vision refracted through another’s eyes, even more so when those eyes are gifted.
In short, I’ve never had any business savvy, so I suppose it makes sense that I’ve never had a business card. Thanks to my brother and Jason, now I do, a remarkable one.
I’m already working on the copy edited version of The Great Ordeal, so the July release date looks firm. My big concern now is reaching all those readers who moved on during the years since The White-Luck Warrior was released. Hopefully the above teaser and the soon-to-be released trailer will do the trick.
If not, I still think the story itself will begin garnering serious attention… It’s a vision thing.
Lots of fans are very excited. (Well n=1; I’m very excited!)
Thanks JP… Me too!
Capital! Will tweet!
I’m thrilled to hear that July is looking firm. More preview chapters on the way?
I wouldn’t sweat it about the interval since the last book. Nobody who has read the previous five books will dump you this late in the game.
Thanks, Willem. The big concern is the final duology, getting the sales I need to get my publishers to commit.
I will either go out and buy copy upon copy until that sales goal is met or I will pay you to finish! Please don’t let the final duology wither on the vine!
Should your publishers fail you, you need to start a Kickstarter project for that duology. You’ll get the support you need, I’m sure.
All good things.
The teaser of the trailer is awesome. Simply amazing, and finally a date. A real, actual confirmation that something might happen. A reason for hope.
Oh yeah, and let me humbly suggest, since you brought up taking charge of your own publishing destiny, taking some time for fan engagement. I’d say something like a rolling author q/a you could step in and out of at will, with minimal obstruction to your day, would be a great place to start.
If only there was some type of place that was dedicated to TSA that could support such activity… I’ll have to think on it 🙂
I love Stephen R. Donaldson’s rolling interview:
http://www.stephenrdonaldson.com/fromtheauthor/index.php
How would you feel about doing something like this?
I came to Three Pound Brain three years ago looking for a publication date for The Unholy Consult. I’m delighted and excited for The Great Ordeal, but since I still don’t have a publication date for The Unholy Consult I guess I’ll stick around.
Michael, such a thing once existed for Bakker. There was a q/a page on the old Three Seas site (its mentioned in the acknowledgments in the PoN books). Unfortunately, that site has long since died, and with it, Bakker’s often and willing interactions with the fan base at large.
I know that the Second Apocalypse forum could easily set up a such a page.The will of the fans is there, the place exists for such a discussion, even the infrastructure of social-media outreach to disseminate such information is in place.
Unfortunately, this thing can’t exist without the buy-in of the person you need to answer the questions. Multiple people through the years have poked and prodded, asked and re-asked, hinted, suggested, begged…
I was just being cheeky with my comment above. Just another jab to see if I could stir something up. All we need is a greenlight from the man himself.
Would also love to host a one on one TSACast with The Man Himself.
Thanks Wilshire. It’s worth a shot, but so much depends on the project de jour and how deep the hook is set. I’ve long given up trying to be all things to all people–that’s the route of chronic stress. The focal obsession always wins, with me. So in a sense I need to keep a simple social profile. I can barely keep up with questions here!
Inexplicably, such a place now exists, you know, if you ever find yourself wondering how many questions there actually are.
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?board=33.0
Yes. This is one of my New Years resolutions, in fact.
I’m just so damned disorganized and obsessive–I have a hard enough time doing ‘family engagement’!
There’s gotta be a way… Gotta be a drug… For me everything turns on habit, so maybe I should plan on getting so smashed one night a week that I cannot do anything but party with fans of the series!
Might not be conducive to ‘wife engagement,’ however.
Don’t let me off the hook.
Don’t let you off the hook you say? Ah. Well this is a request I will do my utmost best to try and comply with.
No one moved on – still here, still waiting for the masterpiece to finish. Sure it will be epic!
Thanks Nimo!
Wonderful. Haunting.
Scott, you should start The Three Pound Brain Podcast. Fans would love it.
Seconded…
Not quite Three Pound Brain specific but can I direct you to: soundcloud.com/tsa-cast.
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Text is bad enough! My voice is haunting in an unwonderful way…
Hey, I was there for the then TUC reading. I’ve heard paid voice actors do far worse. Ever listened to Gibson read Neuromancer? You could’ve done much worse.
You’re being a perfectionist. I listened to the TLG reading and it was fine (better than that, even)
Don’t fret — we are patiently waiting and appreciative of your toiling
And we have no expectations other than you giving us a chunk of your grey matter on paper.
Thanks, torot. After waiting so long, I’m pretty sure that matter has turned blue!
Passed the White-Luck Warrior in the library just today and couldn’t resist flipping through it again. Three hours later I was wishing damn hard the sequel was here right now.
July is close enough.
Awesome. You must have picked a peculiar path through the stacks!
I hit your series because I googled something like “what to read until GRRM finishes his GOT”. Indeed there will be a day, when HBO ran out of new Game of Thrones episodes. Who will fill that gap?
Your series has a unique mix of fantasy, science fiction, philosophy and magic.
I have no idea if it can be brought to tv or cinema.
I have no idea who should do it, albeit I would love to see what David Lynch would do with it. If Peter Jackson wanted to tackle something more adult, he should have a try. 🙂
But I hope it will get picked up.
Best wishes!
Well I can tell you that I wish the delays had generated more and more pent up demand, as with George! Niches aren’t quite so forgiving.
It actually came close to making the screen, at one point, believe it or not. We even had someone willing to finance a pilot. The summer of 2008…
I think TSA would work well through the animated/anime medium. Maybe not the best way to make money and reach the most people, but in my experience it seems to allow for much broader, and darker, exploration of themes not typically in the limelight.
About the trailer. I like very much that it starts with that great quote. It is about the dependencies of causality, what caused the first cause? Where do the axioms in mathematics come from? Is there a deeper cause or just randomness? In maths an alternative to a directed structure with root nodes is a cyclic structure and your depiction of the No God IMHO hints that you might go there.
The idea being that ‘root nodes’ are simply an cyclic illusion! Spooky close, Mark.
Great news Scott and the trailer looks awesome (of course, Jason is great).
We over at tSA were pondering the same sort of thing, what happened to all those members we had at the original Three-Seas board and the previous iteration of SA? Most notably, we wonder what ever happened to White_Lord, as I can recall he was pretty dedicated, even helping you with the glossary. Any ideas where he’s gotten to?
Anyway, I’ve waiting 12 years for this, what’s a few more months!
They were high-schoolers when they first started it–good question! Probably up to their eye-balls with progeny…
Jason is *very* talented, and has some absolutely great pieces in his DA portfolio. I would have no problem if 10 years down the line someone uses his art as reference for a film or show, so I’m glad you’ve opted to use his images in your official marketing material.
However- and I don’t know if this is the right place for some constructive criticism- I don’t like his coloring. I don’t know if it’s on purpose (to show the otherworldliness of the Gnosis) or what, but the palette seems to flatten his images. (And please be aware that is just the opinion of one guy who has 0 visual image talent)
funny because i thought his stuff looked like BROM (an artist I do characterize this same way you are characterizing jason) but WAY BETTER because Brom lacks the real nuance to his use of esoteric and arcane imagery. With brom those things are props or vehicles so he can just delver a sexualised picture, but with Jason the stuff looks down right LEGIT like it could be an iconography adorning some dusty arcane or mystical tome, and thus I have no issues with the flatness and think it adds and feedsback into the arcane iconography.
Actually, its already happened, the Chinese publications of TSA rip off Jason’s work directly, though no credit given of course.
Not saying you’re wrong, but I love his depictions of sorcery in all its form. Everything seems to just click for me when he releases new stuff, colors and all. Just one more opinion to throw into the mix.
Is that for real? I’ll have to let my agent know about that…
Bakkerfans, though more specifically the mysterious yet magnanimous mrgannondorf, sees all. Your agent should get in contact with him (seriously).
I knew I’d find it.
MG made a bakkerfans tweet about it.
Those would be Deem’s “Gods” series, where he did individual depictions of the Inrithi gods.
Awesome stuff! I look forward to seeing the finished product.
Cool calling card, buddy.
May all possible success and notoriety be yours.
Thanks Mike. From the sounds of things we’ll be able to discuss matters over hockey on a regular basis…
This is excellent, and welcome. I second Wilshire’s request/suggestion of more fan engagement as i am an old lurker going way back to the Three Seas. However, obviously, you are under zero obligation for fan service. Ill just say that your blog is a combo of above my head educationally speaking and/or just not my thing.
Regardless, any and all book news is happy news. Im going on a beach vacation in July and i pray to the uncaring universe that publication and vacation coincide nicely.
Charles, http://www.second-apocalypse.com for all you foruming needs. There’s also a ressurected read only archive of Zombie Three-Seas at forum.three-seas.com, if you feel like perusing the past.
Scott, I would like invite you to this ‘event’ in ‘Canada.’ There will be food, flattery, and beverages. It’s a very exclusive event closed to most of the 7 billion living humans and probably all of the 99 billion dead ones. Consider yourself invited. Let it be on your on head if you miss out.
I’m all for food and beverages–the mirror is flattery enough! But where, when, and why the cryptic square-quotes?
We’re calling it Ishoiya. It’s a private affair, though of course you are welcome. I hear it’s a quick 5 hour drive from your domicile (or thereabouts), and I know a couple guys near there that’d give you a ride if’d like.
Those couple o’ wise guys would be Cam and myself. Though, I might have made moves yesterday not to be in Ontario when July 7th weekend roles around. So I might be flying down rather than driving with Cam.
Shit. I should should have asked permission before voulenteering others I guess.
Either way, it’s still a ‘short’ afternoon drive. If perhaps the family had a reason to travel to the US on a random weekend in July… oh I know, we’ve got an amusement park close by. Everyone loves standing in line for roller coasters when it’s hot and humid out.
Lol – your cool. I’m sure Cam wouldn’t mind crossing the border with TMH.
Also, you are ;).
Discretion 😉 Ask Mike
Nice clip!
Gone back to my old wordpress account because my comments seem to be being eaten by the spam filter, Scott. Just keeping this short in case it to dissapears into nothing.
What’s with the tag line ‘Immerse yourself and let the addiction begin – Read – Think – Believe’?
It’s my brother’s show, so I literally don’t know. I’m guessing its believeability he’s talking about, my commitment to world building. I’ll check my spam filter now, Callan. I’m not sure what’s up.
Thanks, Scott. Call me terrible, but along with ‘addiction’, ‘believe’ seems to be close to the spin that is ‘believe in yourself’. Might not be, might just be how they Venn diagram overlap in my head.
NJ’s B&Ns are NOW NO LONGER VIRGIN TO THE SECOND APOCALYPSE:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCpe2_YHJhY/
weird thing is they had one copy of the first book in the series on order but NONE of their distributors had any copies.
Scott, was the first book of the Prince of Nothing reprinted? It was like this at BOTH barnes and noble stores I check. They had the White Luck Warrior and the second book of the Prince of Nothing, but not the first. Checked in their systems, and they said it looks like there are none in the country. Whats going on? Any clue?
I’ve asked both my agent and my editor at Overlook to find out. I’m trying to talk all the parties into considering a reboot for the whole series.
It’s scary though, because commercially, at least, the strength of the series has been its backlist reliability.
I think i had a comment eaten here. Long story short, I rarely see any RSB in the commercial stores I end up at, which is largely B&N. I spend most of my time at 2nd-hand shops when I’m book hunting, and you do appear there from time to time . Always give me a smile.
B&N’s customer search terminal today said they are getting fresh copies of the Darkness that Comes Before in mid-May
Scratch that — it’s for the audio book, not the paperback
Same thing here at Chapters in Canada, DBZ. PON on audio book is set to restock the same day as TGO pre-order. There needs to be a ‘re-release of the PON, if not TSA, as a box set.
How ineffectual if stores suddenly only have book six of a series and books one – three on audio book only.
they sold the Warrior Prophet quick though, so some semblance of demand is there. lol
Personally, I can’t wait. I’ll pimp it to the heavens!
Thanks, David! You know I’ll be pimping you right back! They’ll have to invent a new category: pimp-ho’s
I can’t wait to see an MMO made out of it… I can imagine a Multiplayer Game that would see many incarnations over the years… have you ever approached any of the major North Korean Gaming companies? That’s where it really takes off… those guys soak up your kind of dark fantasia and could imagine a powerful 3D world out of this…
iIthink you mean South Korea, they already have an Aspect-Emperor up in the North.
yea… 🙂 another robot slip…
LOL!!
I’ve been approached with several gaming offers now, but no one that’s inspired me with enough confidence. My dream, actually, was to work with the Total War folks, but alas…
Wow. Total Wars TSA. Now that’s a game I’d play. War games would make a nice TSA conversion.
Reblogged this on dark ecologies and commented:
Thanks to his brother Jason Scott has a short vid previewing his upcoming release of the third installment in his Second Apocalypse Series…
My brother from another mother! lol
Whoops… meant Bryan… sorry!
Just corrected it on my post, too.
Thanks Craig, though I feel like a heel for missing this. I’ve been as much a herd of chickens as a human this past month. Sorry my brother.
As in ‘brother in arms’! (I just saw Jason’s comment now… 😉 )
No problem, buddy! Hope all goes well!!
The TGO will be read and reread. Very happy to see this coming to fruition.
If you’re here, who is tending the Quorum :P?
Thanks, Quorumtender. I personally feel like it’s the best so far, but we’ll see.
good luck with this venture, crazy days for publishing
http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/all-about-the-ego-tunnel/
The irony is that everyone knows the business model is obsolete, but more and more books are being sold: the web is turning out to be a great way to market books aspirationally. But the formula of more books sold despite less books read definitely has a Rapa-Nui odour to it.
I’ve been watching Mr. Deem’s website and checking into his stuff on DeviantArt for a couple years now and I have been eagerly waiting for the book trailer.
“…fans want to share their passion, and if you’re so preposterously lucky to have readers like I do, all you need do is give them something to share.”
If I might make a suggestion to Bakker fans reading this….
If you can afford to, I suggest purchasing copies of Bakker’s novels to give out as gifts. Scott gets $ from a sale and there is the potential for creating a new fan (potential future $ for Scott). I’ve gifted copies of The Darkness that Comes Before, Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog to friends, family and coworkers and for the most part, they’ve been well received.
Lol – done and done, dharma, though I’ve experienced a fairly low ratio of success.
A number of us at Second Apocalypse have taken to what we call literary terrorism. Deem’s created for us a bookmark with the map portion from Momemn to Shimeh under the text “Who Are The Dunyain?” and (as far as our little network spreads) we hide them in non-Bakker books around North America (which is super-easy for the two Canadians who do it because Bakker hasn’t enjoyed multiple print runs in Canada since WLW and isn’t stocked anywhere, ever…).
We have a thread at SA trying to round-table the best ways to disseminate. I would appreciate your input, if you ever feel the compulsion :).
I need to get back over to the Second Apocalypse forms. I’ve been on a multi-year project at work that is finally finishing up, so I hope to become more active in various web communities once more.
Christ dharma… My gratitude.
I envy your success. I’ve stopped counting, but I constantly buy new ones and give them out. Putting new copies of TDTCB in circulation feels good, but I don’t seem to get a lot of converts.
The June date being real is the best news I’ve had in a while. CAN’T WAIT to read The Great Ordeal. Thanks for writing
And thank you Walter, for making it possible for me to write.
You know we’re still excited here in Denmark. Though my Lab ate my copy of White-Luck Warrior, so I’ll have to buy a new copy of that to reread before the release!
Do you mean that fusion nuclear lab in Copenhagen, or do mean that friendly little fellow that likes to crap in your neighbours yard?
Thanks, Lars.
The friendly kind 🙂 got a yellow labrador last year. He’s both my master, and my slave. Complicated stuff…
Very excited. I’ve pre-ordered and have managed to get five of my friends to do the same. We know how important early sales are to maintaining a publisher’s interest .
All too true–thanks for spreading the profane word, JDilk!
any thumbs up or down on this series:
http://rameznaam.com/Nexus/
?
I’ve heard good things about the first entry, dmf.
thanks MH, will keep an eye out for a copy
Definitely something I’m interested in, but if you’re like me, you find yourself so buried reading trying to keep abreast science/philosophy/technology, you have to force yourself to set things down to see what others have dredged from their pits.
ah yeah always more, but i try and work a bit of fiction into most days.
http://backdoorbroadcasting.net/2016/03/narender-ramnani-learning-in-the-cerebellum-an-autopilot-system-in-the-human-brain/
Great to hear. Cant wait for July!
Best of luck with the marketing and book signings etc. Would be great to see you in Ireland at some stage.
Thanks Jim. I’ve pitched Ireland to my wife a couple of times (her grandparents were Irish immigrants) but no dice. Someday, though.
Been here since the beginning and I plan to be here til the end. It saddens me that your books aren’t bigger. As an avid reader who’s read WoT, Game of Thrones, LOTR and many others, I consider your series to be my personal favorite, both for the quality of the writing and the authenticity of the world you created.
Thanks David. Don’t worry. They WILL be big. Fantasy just keeps expanding, which, contrary to what you might think, means the uniqueness of the series becomes more and more a selling feature.
But also, Old Culture is only now beginning to realize that it’s dead. These books are about the now in a way too ferocious to be perpetually ignored…
In my humble opinion.
Hi Scott, long time fan (could one even say “convert”) embarking on the umpteenth re-reading in preparation for the next instalment and I’ve been struck by a question; probably irrelevant to all but your Australian readers.
Why eucalypts?
I’ve noted I all my readings of the first series the predominance of eucalypts in the Kianene lands, especially Umiaki to which Kellhus & Serwë are bound.
Is this just because of the strangeness of the tree to all outside of Australia; or did you choose it because of some other reason?
I ask as an Australian, who is just glad to see part of their own country present in a piece of grand fantasy…
Well shit. I never really noticed that.
I’m going to assume that drop-bears are originally Inchoroi pets and both they and eucalypts came down on the Ark.
I think it’s due to pangaea ultima. I mean, does the inland sea look familiar?
Thanks Jasper. Well, eucalypts have been exported to different places around the world, so technically…
But for me, when it comes to picking flora and fauna, I like to opt for something familiar yet exotic all the same.
Well, eucalypts have been exported to different places around the world, so technically…
That’s no fun!
Hey scott, I am not sure if you saw that this conversation between Metzinger and Brassier has been made public finally:
Metzinger really waffles in my view on reduction. He is unable to specify beyond gesturing to ideas of their being ‘levels of explanations’, but I think brassier cuts to the core. If brain scans can show that people are constitutively unable to possess the affections required for ethical conduct then the status of ethics itself becomes suspended or pulled out the philosophical clouds.
I actually had a chance to see that shortly after it happened, but I can’t remember the incident you mention. The strange thing is that if you were to ask me who posed what to what, I would have likely reversed the positions! on the basis of the correspondence I’ve enjoyed with both of them.
Otherwise, I’m not sure how any philosopher could do anything other than botch ‘levels of explanation,’ vis a vis anything, let alone reduction. Metzinger is a representationalist, so there’s a myriad of issues that he has to bite the bullet on. As for Brassier, he has to be eyeing up the reductio to lay out the case for the necessity of normative metaphysics, no?
Yep. Normative metaphysics activates ancient intuitions, but I am not convinced it can do anything more. Metzinger has recently been dropping this new term ‘the epistemic subject’, which I find amusing since he associates it tout court to the ‘whole organism’, but by his own admission we shouldn’t attribute knowledge to anything but sentences! This really reminds me of a strategy taken in an old book – the User Illusion – which was actually very close to the BBT in terms of many of its basic claims, but which concieved neglect as a special kind of informational reduction process which happened as information percolated up through the conscious bottleneck. There he argued, as Metzinger in the interview posted by DMF, that we’d do better than identifying with the ego tunnel of the I if we identified with the “Me” of the whole organism. But I just don’t see where this adds anything but another layer of myth which is sedimented at the level of narrative metacognition.
It’s a pity Norretrander never pursued the thread because that was a great book. But he, like Metzinger, gets netted in the same problems regarding content (though unlike Metzinger he never gets into the nitty gritty). Short heuristic neglect, they have to conceive it in intrinsic terms, which traps you in the game of divining where the magical efficacy hides.
testing
testing again. sorry about this folks–trying to get the Gravatar account to work for “Bakkerfans.” “delete reply” function is not available to me
yay! seems to be working now!
Callan’s been having problems too. Are your comments being eaten BF?
Ha–no, I don’t know what was up, but this third party thing, Gravatar, wouldn’t correctly present the BF account. My bug seems to be dead. Thnax for checking
Anxiously awaiting, regardless of release date. Friends or new acquaintances often ask me what I’m reading and I’ve convinced…coerced even…plenty of folks to get into your series.
The extra marketing couldn’t hurt. To be honest I can’t quite remember how I even discovered the series, which I didn’t begin until 2014. But now every time I see someone on the Chicago trains reading GoT, I want to shake them and say there’s something even better 🙂
Best of luck with the edits, can’t wait to enjoy it.
Thanks Patrick. Word o’ mouth is the best way, though accosting strangers on trains is not recommended in Hoyle’s Guide to Pimpage… 😉
I’m greatly looking forward to TGO, but is there any hope of a Canadian release on kindle? I’ve given up on paper books and I’d be happy to purchase the upcoming book, and repurchase the earlier ones, on kindle once they become available in Canada. Any ETA on that?
Thanks, igs. We’re actually hoping to have something worked out for Canadian e-rights within the next few weeks, as a matter of fact. Long time in coming, I know.
Your stories always stuck with me man. The philosophy and world building both struck me as awe inspiring since the first book and never let me down since.