We’re Fucked. So (Now) What?
by rsbakker
“Conscious self-creation.” This is the nostrum Roy Scranton offers at the end of his now notorious piece, “We’re Doomed. Now What?” Conscious self-creation is the ‘now what,’ the imperative that we must carry across the threshold of apocalypse. After spending several weeks in the company of children I very nearly wept reading this in his latest collection of essays. I laughed instead.
I understand the logic well enough. Social coordination turns on trust, which turns on shared values, which turns on shared narratives. As Scranton writes, “Humans have survived and thrived in some of the most inhospitable environments on Earth, from the deserts of Arabia to the ice fields of the Arctic, because of this ability to organize collective life around symbolic constellations of meaning.” If our imminent self-destruction is the consequence of our traditional narratives, then we, quite obviously, need to come up with better narratives. “We need to work together to transform a global order of meaning focused on accumulation into a new order of meaning that knows the value of limits, transience, and restraint.”
If I laughed, it was because Scranton’s thesis is nowhere near so radical as his title might imply. It consists, on the one hand, in the truism that human survival depends on engineering an environmentally responsible culture, and on the other, the pessimistic claim that this engineering can only happen after our present (obviously irresponsible) culture has self-destructed. The ‘now what,’ in other words, amounts to the same-old same-old, only après le deluge. Just another goddamn narrative.
Scranton would, of course, take issue with my ‘just another goddamn’ modifier. As far as he’s concerned, the narrative he outlines is not just any narrative, it’s THE narrative. And, as the owner of a sophisticated philosophical position, he could endlessly argue its moral and ecological superiority… the same as any other theoretician. And therein lies the fundamental problem. Traditional philosophy is littered with bids to theorize and repair meaning. The very plasticity allowing for its rehabilitation also attests to its instability, which is to say, our prodigious ability to cook narratives up and our congenital inability to make them stick.
Thus, my sorrow, and my fear for children. Scranton, like fairly every soul writing on these topics, presumes our problem lies in the content of our narratives rather than their nature.
Why, for instance, presume meaning will survive the apocalypse? Even though he rhetorically stresses the continuity of nature and meaning, Scranton nevertheless assumes the independence of the latter. But why? If meaning is fundamentally natural, then what in its nature renders it immune to ecological degradation and collapse?
Think about the instability referenced above, the difficulty we have making our narratives collectively compelling. This wasn’t always the case. For the vast bulk of human history, our narratives were simply given. Our preliterate ancestors evolved the plasticity required to adapt their coordinating stories (over the course of generations) to the demands of countless different environments—nothing more or less. The possibility of alternative narratives, let alone ‘conscious self-creation,’ simply did not exist given the metacognitive resources at their disposal. They could change their narrative, to be sure, but incrementally, unconsciously, not so much convinced it was the only game in town as unable to report otherwise.
Despite their plasticity, our narratives provided the occluded (and therefore immovable) frame of reference for all our sociocognitive determinations. We quite simply did not evolve to systematically question the meaning of our lives. The capacity to do so seems to have required literacy, which is to say, a radical transformation of our sociocognitive environment. Writing allowed our ancestors to transcend the limits of memory, to aggregate insights, to record alternatives, to regiment and to interrogate claims. Combined with narrative plasticity, literacy begat a semantic explosion, a proliferation of communicative alternatives that continues to accelerate to this present day.
This is biologically unprecedented. Literacy, it seems safe to say, irrevocably domesticated our ancestral cognitive habitat, allowing us to farm what we once gathered. The plasticity of meaning, our basic ability to adapt our narratives, is the evolutionary product of a particular cognitive ecology, one absent writing. Literacy, you could say, constitutes a form of pollution, something that disrupts preexisting adaptive equilibria. Aside from the cognitive bounty it provides, it has the long-term effect of destabilizing narratives—all narratives.
The reason we find such a characterization jarring is that we subscribe to a narrative (Scranton’s eminently Western narrative) that values literacy as a means of generating new meaning. What fool would argue for illiteracy (and in writing no less!)? No one I know. But the fact remains that with literacy, certain ancestral functions of narrative were doomed to crash. Where once there was blind trust in our meanings, we find ourselves afflicted with questions, forced to troubleshoot what our ancestors took for granted. (This is the contradiction dwelling in the heart of all post-modernisms: the valuation of the very process devaluing meaning, crying ‘More is better!’ as those unable or unwilling to tread water drown).
The biological origins of narrative lie in shallow information cognitive ecologies, circumstances characterized by profound ignorance. What we cannot grasp we poke with sticks. Hitherto we’ve been able to exapt these capacities to great effect, raising a civilization that would make our story-telling ancestors weep, and for wonder far more than horror. But as with all heuristic systems, something must be taken for granted. Only so much can be changed before an ecology collapses altogether. And now we stand on the cusp of a communicative revolution even more profound than literacy, a proliferation, not simply of alternate narratives, but of alternate narrators.
If you sweep the workbench clean, cease looking at meaning as something somehow ‘anomalous’ or ‘transcendent,’ narrative becomes a matter of super-complicated systems, things that can be cut short by a heart attack or stroke. If you refuse to relinquish the meat (which is to say nature), then narratives, like any other biological system, require that particular background conditions obtain. Scranton’s error, in effect, is a more egregious version of the error Harari makes in Homo Deus, the default presumption that meaning somehow lies outside the circuit of ecology. Harari, recall, realizes that humanism, the ‘man-the-meaning-maker’ narrative of Western civilization, is doomed, but his low-dimensional characterization of the ‘intersubjective web of meaning’ as an ‘intermediate level of reality’ convinces him that some other collective narrative must evolve to take its place. He fails to see how the technologies he describes are actively replacing the ancestral social coordinating functions of narrative.
Scranton, perhaps hobbled by the faux-naturalism of Speculative Realism, cannot even concede the wholesale collapse of humanism, only those elements antithetical to environmental sustainability. His philosophical commitments effectively blind him to the intimate connection between the environmental crises he considers throughout the collection, and the semantic collapses he so eloquently describes in the final essay, “What is Thinking Good For?” Log onto the web, he writes, “and you’ll soon find yourself either nauseated by the vertigo that comes from drifting awash in endless waves of repetitive, clickbaity, amnesiac drek, or so benumbed and bedazzled by the sheer volume of ersatz cognition on display that you wind up giving in to the flow and welcoming your own stupefaction as a kind of relief.” Throughout this essay he hovers about, without quite touching, the idea of noise, how the technologically mediated ease of meaning production and consumption has somehow compromised our ability to reliably signal. Our capacity to arbitrate and select signals is an ecological artifact, historically dependent on the ancestral bottleneck of physical presence. Once a precious resource, like-minded commiseration has become cheap as dirt.
But since he frames the problem in the traditional register of ‘thought,’ an entity he acknowledges he cannot definitively define, he has no way of explaining what precisely is going wrong, and so finds himself succumbing to analogue nostalgia, Kantian shades. What is thinking good for? The interruption of cognitive reflex, which is to say, freedom from ‘tutelary natures.’ Thinking, genuine thinking, is a koan.
The problem, of course, is that we now know that it’s tutelary natures all the way down: deliberative interruption is itself a reflex, sometimes instinctive, sometimes learned, but dependent on heuristic cues all the same. ‘Freedom’ is a shallow information ecological artifact, a tool requiring certain kinds of environmental ignorance (an ancestral neglect structure) to reliably discharge its communicative functions. The ‘free will debate’ simply illustrates the myriad ways in which the introduction of mechanical information, the very information human sociocognition has evolved to do without, inevitably crashes the problem-solving power of sociocognition.
The point being that nothing fundamental—and certainly nothing ontological—separates the crash of thought and freedom from the crash of any other environmental ecosystem. Quite without realizing, Scranton is describing the same process in both essays, the global dissolution of ancestral ecologies, cognitive and otherwise. What he and, frankly, the rest of the planet need to realize is that between the two, the prospect of semantic apocalypse is actually both more imminent and more dire. The heuristic scripts we use to cognize biological intelligences are about to face an onslaught of evolutionarily unprecedented intelligences, ever-improving systems designed to cue human sociocognitive reflexes out of school. How long before we’re overrun by billions of ‘junk intelligences’? One decade? Two?
What happens when genuine social interaction becomes optional?
The age of AI is upon us. And even though it is undoubtedly the case that social cognition is heuristic—ecological—our blindness to our nature convinces us that we possess no such nature and so remain, in some respect (because strokes still happen), immune. Our ‘symbolic spaces’ will be deluged with invasive species, each optimized to condition us, to cue social reflexes—to “nudge” or to “improve user experience.” We’ll scoff at them, declare them stupid, even as we dutifully run through scripts they have cued.
So long as the residue of traditional humanistic philosophy persists, so long as we presume meaning exceptional, this prospect cannot even be conceived, let alone explored. The “evacuation of interiority,” as Scranton calls it, is always the other guy’s—metacognitive neglect assures experience cannot but appear fathomless, immovable. Therein lies the heartbreaking genius of our cognitive predicament: given the intractability of our biomechanical nature, our sociocognitive and metacognitive systems behave as though no such nature exists. We just… are—the deliverance of something inexplicable.
An apparent interruption in thought, in nature, something necessarily observing the ruin, rather than (as Nietzsche understood) embodying it. And so enthusiastically tearing down the last ecological staple sustaining meaning: that humans cue one another ignorant of those cues as such.
All deep environmental knowledge constitutes an unprecedented attenuation of our ancestral cognitive ecologies. Up to this point, the utilities extracted have far exceeded the utilities lost. Pinker is right in this one regard: modernity has been a fantastic deal. We could plunder the ecologies about us, while largely ignoring the ecologies between us. But now that science and technology are becoming cognitive, we ourselves are becoming the resources ripe for plunder, the ecology doomed to fragment and implode.
We’re fucked. So now what? We fight, clutch for flotsam, like any other doomed beetle caught upon the flood, not for any ‘reason,’ but because this is what beetles do, drowning.
Fight.
LISA
Perhaps there is no moral to this story.
HOMER
Exactly. It’s just a bunch of stuff that happened.
—“Blood Feud,” The Simpsons
Lisa – Perhaps there is no moral to this story.
Homer – Exactly. It’s just a bunch of stuff that happened.
The Iliad
Hi Scott,
Probably completely unrelated, but may one inquire as to how progress is coming along on the new Second Apocalypse book? 🙂
Just picking, sketching vignettes, snippets of dialogue. Nothing coherent yet, I fear.
Now that you are no longer guided by the original vision?
“If our imminent self-destruction is the consequence of our traditional narratives, then we, quite obviously, need to come up with better narratives” so tired of this gibberish WE don’t have shared “narratives” (or Myths whatever the fuck those are supposed to be) never could and never did, and even if there was some deus machina for the broad transmission and continuous alignment of such mythic encodings (and if we were somehow composed in ways that would allow for uniform/coordinated acting out) narratives aren’t any more useful for such management tasks than explicit instructions and all the sorts of endless Wittgensteinian vicious endless regresses that they entail.
sort of thing humanities folks tell themselves (and unfortunately anyone else who will or has to listen) to pretend they have value beyond the markets of higher ed.
ha yes Pinker (and all his stooge buddies Harris and the like) remind me of the folks who trumpet our (USA) clean air effort and liberal labor laws as proof that somehow we can organize the world’s economies to be greener in times to ward off the unfolding catastrophes while failing somehow to notice that we just outsourced it to places like China and India.
So yeah we’re fucked and it will just be more and more of the same:
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2018/08/flooding-kills-29-in-south-india-idukki.html
So you don’t think there’s a linguistic dimension to cooperative human behaviour? Why all the stories then? Why bother murdering people for the sin of repeating different stories?
I just think its a (sometimes) useful way to talk about things we’re only beginning to understand. So long as you insist on its biological basis, you at least have a way of understanding where the term goes wrong. My guess is that its more the ontologization of narratives that you object to, and the constructivism that falls out of it.
there is of course a linguistic aspect to human interactions (c’mon now) it just isn’t, and can’t be, uniform/uni-forming and the story telling aspect is a tiny part of our uses of language and dependent on it’s uses/meanings on the lived contexts and the people involved in a particular exchange, , language use is just a manipulation of our bodies/environs just as everything else we do is, as for why murder people for signaling outsiderness or opposition I would think that would be obvious and might even include these very mistaken ideas about the supposed powers of stories.
So no to ontologizing and no to treating us or our “codes” as if they were not just machines but better machines that our actual computers and codes which are full of bugs and other errors that make for all kinds of errors (keeps IT people employed).
I concede that group story-telling may ultimately be nothing more than a spandrel. I doubt it though. Consider how much organizational power simple social/natural story-telling (gossip and description) has: utilizing that organizational power beyond the proximal seems pretty inevitable to me. If evolution already has a tool for managing group action and group selection is at work, then its a good bet it’ll use that tool. Of course we exploit fictions, and to profound effect, despite how ‘tiny.’ The whole reason you need to frame them biologically is precisely because of the danger of neglecting the degree to which they’re entangled in countless other processes.
Strange thing is, we may be close to finding an empirical answer to this question: researchers are discovering that music can cue collective neural resonance in audiences; if we discover the signature of ‘belonging’ then correlate it with batteries of stories possessing different collective values (conformity, say, versus idiosyncratic expression), we’d be on the road to something potentially deep.
gossip and description play a huge cumulative effect in the sense that we do it all the time so like rain falling all over the earth over millennia but they don’t even come close to cohering in their tellings/uses let alone their receptions, I assume you’ve done readings or heard people discuss what they think you are trying to say (as if something as long in the making and on the page as a novel could be singular in causes/intentions), hell just look at the tangents here in yer comment pages. By the way there are no “collective” neural resonances we aren’t all wired into some common system, in different settings over differing times even for an individual inputs will have differing resonances and individual inputs come in the flows of our experiences which are of course in flux.
http://meaningoflife.tv/videos/38997
But there’s a radical amount of iteration in gossip, both with production and reception, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. The noise, for all we know, actually serves to boost certain signals. The recent work in neural resonance is actually pointing in some pretty extraordinary directions (check out, for instance, Wallmark and co’s “Neurophysiological Effects of Trait Empathy in Music Listening”), and seems, I think anyway, to be a great way to explore Zadwidzki’s ‘mind-shaping,’ which features linguistic inputs (his book by the same title references a veritable treasure trove of evidence). This is the stuff your man Turner has been suggesting for years now, btw.
I’ll be posting on these topics in the near future.
Turner’s whole point was that there was no means of transmission/unification other than the sloppiness and variability of aping public displays/actions, part of why any synchronized activity like a dance troupe or military parade stands out and requires massive amounts of training and practice and can’t hold outside of very controlled circumstances and why amateur programs suck, see any studies of (not theories of) personnel management (for efficiency, coordination, etc) and studies of engineering products for failures of structure, function, and uses. Even if music could (and we know from the variability in taste/audiences that they don’t hell they don’t eve hold over a single person’s lifetime) evoke the same basic seconds of emotion in people that doesn’t synchronize what is happening for/in them before or after the input which is how these things gain their meaning. That study is making gestures towards showing (but certainly not demonstrating) that people with varying degrees of neural activity that may have some relation to “empathy” could have a relation to how they are or are not impacted by music,the role(s) of empathy in social interactions is hardly a settled matter (let alone what empathy is, is composed of) and music is being chosen here I imagine because it is far simpler than studying language use which doesn’t come in easy to isolate units.
The fact that human brains are even capable of synching in the ways described is a flabbergasting discovery, don’t you think? I sure do. It’s not the degree/precision of empathy that’s important, it’s the consequence, which Turner explicitly thinks provides a basis for things like historical understanding. The slop goes without saying–which is why I’m still not sure I get your point.
You’re arguing that the role played by ‘grand narratives’ is systematically overinflated by specialists whose expertise happens to be narratives. Insofar as you ontologize narratives as intentional–which pretty much every theorist deploying the term does–I think you’re entirely right. Because you’re deploying systems adapted to solving in the absence of biological information, you’re forced to theorize it as something ‘prior’ to biology, and so prone to indulge in endless bouts of theoretical self-congratulation. But I find it hard to believe that the sheer repetition of linguistic behaviour involved with managing reliability, for example, ‘believe in yourself’ and all the beauty and bullshit flowing from it, doesn’t function to synchronize our otherwise neglected orientations. I don’t see narratives as ‘glue’ actively welding societies together. To the degree our socialization overlaps, the coordination of our orientations simply falls out of it. Barring feral children, the glue’s always there, noise or no. Collective narratives largely possess the power and generality they do (which is to say, precisely what you dispute) simply because they are cues to stop questioning, which is the genuine threat to social reliability.
again there is no evidence of synching attitudes/behaviors, where do you get stats for the sheer repetition and how do you find that they are used in uniform manners and have uniform effects, do you know that corporations/organizations often intentionally hold bs meetings where they gather employees together to “brainstorm” new ways of organizing themselves (full of nonsense slogans about values and all, serous studies of “cultures” don’t even look at this sort of human resources PR but follow to see who actually does what and how) after they have paid the same consultants to come up with the real behind the scenes means of management to give the appearance of ownership, boost “buy-in”, no doubt ingroup signalling is important but not in that the slogans are to be taken at face value in terms of their content, wtf do you think Do No Evil could really mean at a company like Google or Facebook or any other of any size/scale worth noting?
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Collective action is impossible short synching behaviours, so I’m still perplexed by what you say. The question is what best explains collective behaviour and the language associated with it: norms/representations or biology?
Who said anything about taking anything at ‘face value’?
“WE don’t have shared “narratives” (or Myths whatever the fuck those are supposed to be) never could and never did…”
I can’t help but ask, in all seriousness, what you make of organized religions if they are not shared narratives/myths? What do you make of capitalism, entrepreneurship, free enterprise, the invisible hand, rugged individualism, objectivism, economic growth, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, Horatio Alger, get rich or die trying, animal spirits, the magic of the marketplace, Protestant work ethic et cetera? Do these and other ideas constitute a symbolic constellation of meaning? More importantly, is there a way for humanity to renounce the practices of capitalism without first renouncing the ideology?
have you ever been in a church meeting (whether local or a national/international conference)?
Yes. In fairness, Baptist preachers do spend a bit of time talking about fundraising, but they also spend a lot of time talking about their faith. My experience reading this blog has been that non-believers have a difficult time imagining themselves into the minds of the devout, and vice versa. I mean that about most beliefs, not just religious ones. In a way it’s a good thing. Readers of this blog are mostly an empirically minded, skeptical group. Faith, whether in gods, markets, ethnicity/race or what have you isn’t particularly well regarded here, but the question of how the faithful and the faithless can coexist is one worth asking.
What’s ironic is trying to imagine what it’s like to be in the minds of those who have no inclination to imagine what it’s like to be in the minds of others. I think that’s an actual divide. People who are religious but they try to imagine what it’s like in the other persons shoes – perhaps there isn’t so much of an issue there. Perhaps rather than religion the divide is along the lines of people who imagine being in others minds Vs people who don’t, they really have trouble getting each other (though the former has less trouble if they think about it)
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some evidence of systematicities
some evidence of disease processes?
Not just in the neurodivergent psychopaths, but commonalities were exhibited in the controls as well — to me shared tendencies in language production given that language permits verbal reports on consciously accessible information indicates something like commonalities in neurophenomenological state spaces.
Does driver behavior at traffic lights count as synching and repetition?
ha ask the robodriving engineers
Huh?
Sure, and when someone gets triggered into the road rage zone of affect it probably counts as desyncrhonization / dysfluency / noise.
SMBC
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/autonomous
The self driving soul
I thought this was cute:
https://www.wired.com/story/when-bots-teach-themselves-to-cheat/
It’s bad enough when ‘bots outsmart their target audiences. When they outsmart their creators we can really start to have problems. This example:
“Earlier this year, researchers at the University of Freiburg in Germany challenged a bot to score big in the Atari game Qbert. Instead of playing through the levels like a sweaty-palmed human, it invented a complicated move to trigger a flaw in the game, unlocking a shower of ill-gotten points.”
is particularly interesting because it shows the need to build ‘morality’ or ‘ethics’ into software. I have no idea how one goes about doing so
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/silicon-valley-engineers-fear-they-created-a-monster
…especially when, as this quote from the Vanity Fair link suggests, it’s hard enough building morality and ethics into programmers:
“a co-worker sat down next to my desk. “There’s something you need to know,” she said in a low voice, “and I don’t want you to forget it. When you’re writing code, you need to think of the drivers. Never forget that these are real people who have no benefits, who have to live in this city, who depend on us to write responsible code. Remember that.” I didn’t understand what she meant until several weeks later, when I overheard two other engineers in the cafeteria discussing driver bonuses—specifically, ways to manipulate bonuses so that drivers could be “tricked” into working longer hours. Laughing, they compared the drivers to animals: “You need to dangle the carrot right in front of their face.” Shortly thereafter, a wave of price cuts hit drivers in the Bay Area. When I talked to the drivers, they described how Uber kept fares in a perfectly engineered sweet spot: just high enough for them to justify driving, but just low enough that not much more than their gas and maintenance expenses were covered.”
It’s a lot like sharecropping. It’s also a bit like war. We dehumanize those we seek to exploit economically just as we dehumanize those we seek to kill. When we use software to do the dirty work for us we put another layer of indifference between ourselves and our victims. Machines have no concept of humanity or of humaneness, so dehumanization is built in. People have to be taught indifference to the pain and misery of other people. Machines are indifferent by nature.
Rage inducing. I’d actually hypothesize that the two guys colluding about treating the drivers like animals is actually a built in instinct, one of making clear to each other who are of the ‘real tribe’ (each other) and who are the animals (the other tribe). But I wouldn’t even say they are are ‘the bad guys’, as in the actual source of the toxicity. I’d say they are an expression of the economic systems deliberately built in desperation. It’s like horror movies where people are pitted against people or they die – a battle royale. What’s handy to the system is where those two guys, treating others like animals, themselves become the ‘scape goats. So they get lynched (if anyone does), so the system that egged them on remains untouched and continues its algorithm/agenda. Humans like to target humans rather than systems.
What a game. If this was a mmorpg, its nuance would be amazing.
Awesome tidbits, Michael. Keep em coming!
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity
How much of of transhumanism is just a desire to create the most gated of gated communities? And how do you maintain authority over your security force after the event?
In the end, family is all we have.
If we take each other as humans, we can take each other otherwise. For me the recognition of mechanistic cuing actually was first realized through the fact that cuing can be achieved through literally mechanical means of the reproduction of signals absent their originating source though media such as television and so forth. it was the context of my depression over the absence of warm affect that i detected between my parents over their domestic strife. i would observe how they would each retreat from the reality of those problems into their seperate bubbles of their own isolated television viewing habits, and how this further surveys to dissassociate any space of shared cognitive and communicative orientation.
Hello, nice to see you again, Scott!
But is it really a fair critique? A narrative (procedure) can only resist things that attack its nature by changing its contents? Even a Butlerian Jihad is but a narrative. Even if that narrative manages to pick off junk intelligence production before they surround us individually in a Matrix like bubbles, it did so out of content. It didn’t somehow struggle to be more than content. And I mean it gets to a subject/object point soon enough – if you get a bunch of junk AI bubbling people, it’s a physical event as much as being shot with a bullet is. Surely Scranton gets that physical events override narrative?
Off that topic, I prefer to think of the beetles as the AI and us the ants.
Also in that frame it’s interesting to think of this observation of beetles riding ants, and a comparison to people carrying smart phones around everywhere.
Still kicking, my friend. Just different stones.
The content is the two dimensional shadow, a shallow figment of our strategically impoverished access. Technically, it ‘does’ nothing at all (because there’s no such thing). But content talk is still systematically related to what happens, and so has secrets to share.
Not sure I get how this relates to your original post that raises questions on the nature of narrative? On content: Well I guess the academic notion of content seems just a shadow on the wall of Plato’s cave, but synaptically (your systematically?) content does exist. I guess an issue with the nature of narrative is that academic notion of content is that it can be entrancing and something delved into, on and on (much as people can be entranced by fantasy worlds). But this can go nowhere. Are you concerned Scranton will end up getting entranced more than he will write be writing narratives for the future? Though to be meta I think all narratives need to have some section of them to be entrancing, in order to be something human. I guess it’s a matter of whether one can see oneself entranced or whether oneself is engulfed. Or I’m rambling, who knows?
Don’t let the stones you be kickin’ be too big for your toes!
I guess it’s hard for me to imagine a notion of access that doesn’t include content. I used to try to bend my mind around the idea as a kid that I could remember having different global attitudes or perspectives at different ages but could never observe the change between the gestalt itself. There’s gotta be a neurotyoe here haha my parent were I dint understand the problem you just “grew”! Same thing for thought. You could observe chains of thought in time the source of any thought was always just Out of Nowhere. The noumenal self. It still gets me to this day.
As I hoped to point out in my question to DMF above, capitalism is a narrative, a ‘symbolic constellation of meaning.’ It’s the narrative that the asshole programmers from the Vanity Fair piece use to justify designing algorithms that keep the drivers broke but driving. The problem with narratives isn’t creating them. It’s making them stick. Creating narrative alternatives to capitalism isn’t hard. Creating a sufficiently broad and deep consensus around any such narrative that it can replace capitalism as an organizing principle of the world’s economic life is probably going to be very hard. I think Scott’s right that our consensus building mechanisms are becoming less effective as modern communication technology isolates us from people with whom we might disagree. After all, you have been preaching food/economic self-sufficiency as an alternative to capitalism since we first met on this blog. It’s been tough sledding, no?
I guess so? I remember back in the commodore 64 days we would play ANY game we could get our hands on. And play them to death! Or at least devote tons of attention to what little games we had.
Now there’s a shit ton of games for ‘free’ to access. So in terms of pitching any kind of idea to folk through a game, it’s like trying to grab flitting fish from a school with your bare hands (if that makes sense) – they just dodge your attempts as ‘trying to get them’, even as you watch the big companies drop in nets that surround them utterly. They think they’ve spotted THE ‘shill’ (which I am in a way when selling an idea), but they utterly miss perceiving the big net which is a massive shill. You’re gunna get caught either way, guys, why so picky? But then the big net is treated as something borderline holy. I see it with every triple A release, the collective ahhhh. Then the collective disappointment when the new game turns out not to be the new messiah and instead just another naughty boy. Something mortal.
Is the main issue not the nature of narratives but that Scranton thinks he only needs to feel significance in his narrative and it will then be significant to all? Man, that wont cut it as sizzle this century…
Capitalism involves narratives, but is not itself a narrative. I am not convinced its an organizing principle so much as a runaway positive feedback loop hijacking as something like an “incrementally more is better” heuristic.
Capitalism is a Ponzi Scheme
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The winners (if any) will be the first group to successfully engineer AIs that can detect, protect and subvert the fragile human cognitive core from assaults from other evolved expert systems. Because that’s all it is: natural selection accelerated ten million fold and executed on silicon instead of carbon.
“Hi, I’m Esmenet, your virtual assistant! It seems you’re grocery shopping! I’ve layered a protective HUD over your sensory perceptions to mask products that are hyper-engineered to cue your attention disproportionately to their true market value. I can also direct you to the least predatory options available. Are you in the mood for meat today?'”
Awesome peek at the future! But I think people will continue loving free stuff as much in the future as the present.
Some kind of selection process is going on, but do you think it still counts as natural?
“I think people will continue loving free stuff as much in the future as the present.”
Undeniable. Nature hands out free stuff too. Virtually all forms of life take advantage of “energy leaks” in some part of an ecosystem. The trick is to avoid the angler fish or the Photuris firefly- things that look free and tasty, and then WHAM it turns out YOU were the one that was free and tasty all along (Zuckerberg’s entire business model is roughly analogous to this).
Your argument hinges on the undeniable fact that the future will have a ton of supremely optimized anglerfish, and asks the question of whether we can adapt fast enough. I answer – “No, but, by mere virtue of arriving on the scene first, biologicals are in a position to engineer systems that oppose other engineered systems. Just as multicellular organisms struggle against each other not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of their germline.”
Additionally, optimization may have limits. Like, “Dunyain level” cognitive manipulation is simply not obtainable for any system before the realities of diminishing returns on structural investment prohibit it. Bostrom and others argue somewhat convincingly against this via analogy. Atomic theory did not immediately suggest the possibility of nuclear weapons. Turing’s paper did not immediately suggest the complete instrumentalization of humans by machines.
“Some kind of selection process is going on, but do you think it still counts as natural?”
Pedantically, my response is: Everything is natural. The ecological transformation we’re undergoing is as natural as the oxygen catastrophe or whatever.
Less pedantically- I’m not sure what this question is ultimately asking.
check this out
[IEEE 2017 3rd IEEE International Conference on Cybernetics (CYBCONF) – Exeter, United Kingdom (2017.6.21-2017.6.23)] 2017 3rd IEEE International Conference on Cybernetics (CYBCONF) – Can Humans Detect the Authenticity of Social Media Accounts? On the Impact of Verbal and Non-Verbal Cues on Credibility Judgements of Twitter Profiles
http://www.libgen.io/scimag/index.php?s=Can+Humans+Detect+the+Authenticity+of+Social+Media+Accounts&journalid=&v=&i=&p=&redirect=1
Believe it or not, I already have this one. Thank you though Void!
I think the question is of AI philosophy, where the AI asks itself is it really ‘the one’ who will protect a human from other attacks, or is it using that assertion as just another way of inflicting an attack?
But I guess we don’t think of AI having self doubt just yet. Hell, often enough we don’t self doubt.
But there is the frightening thought of philosophy moving on to something that AI then carry, as we are treated like we’re in old people homes even from the moment we’re born. And that’s a positive outcome rather than a negative one (skynet didn’t exactly want to just put people in safe bubbles)
“Your argument hinges on the undeniable fact that the future will have a ton of supremely optimized anglerfish” why this sort of faith in engineering when there are so many dead-ends (if not aporias) in the history of engineering and when the infrastructures are so fragile (finance, governments, energy, supply chains, etc) and the current incentives (and the distorting impacts of monopolization) are focused on stupid shit like capturing attention or building a better personal organizer?
I thought this was fascinating. Scott has said a bit about the relationship between social media and stage magic, but this article lays some of it out in a way that potentially provides some ways to fight back.
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Michael, that’s a superb article. Thank you!
Write this book!
Remember what we said about ‘soft totalitarianism?’
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-camps-have-no-clear-end-in-sight/
Maybe not so soft after all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
But sadly, given how harshly Islam is viewed in the West and how important China has become economically over the past few decades, if China did decide to exterminate its Uighur population I suspect the rest of the world would wring their hands and then pretend Xinjiang Province had always been ninety-nine percent Han Chinese.
Money talks, and even some of their fellow Muslims hear it:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/islamic-leaders-have-nothing-to-say-about-chinas-internment-camps-for-muslims/
More on totalitarianism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-noah-harari-technology-tyranny/568330/
and if the above article interests you:
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/visions-of-the-semantic-apocalypse-a-critical-review-of-yuval-noah-hararis-homo-deus/
I think he might have a point about information technology favoring totalitarianism. Regarding another point he makes, about future political conflict being over control of data, I think we might have already lost.
It’s obvious, but I couldn’t resist:
Reblogged this on syndax vuzz.
This is fascinating stuff, but I must admit to struggling to excavate meaning beneath all the jargon, obfuscation, and meandering. Let me offer a few observations anyway.
There’s a clear chicken-and-egg problem with narratives frames responding to extant conditions or vice versa. Arguments over the existence of free will founder over the same terrain: are we (merely) atomistic machines (automatons) bouncing kinetically off everything else (physically and mentally) or active agents or something between? There’s also metatruth to phrases such as “seeing is believing,” “fake it ’til you make it,” “perception is reality,” etc. They demonstrate how ideation, however faulty or inaccurate, functions handily as a proxy for truth.
In terms of our cognitive history, literacy indeed represents a great leap forward, especially in the aftermath of the Gutenberg Revolution and the extension of widespread literacy through public education. Acceleration of information availability as a destabilizing factor cannot be understated. However, literacy is in marked decline (e.g., engagement, sophistication, and/or critical thinking) over its own fairly recent history and is being replaced by hyperpalatable, effortless inputs such as video and VR. Think of the animated menuboards at fast food restaurants with pics of the food so folks can order by the number associated with the pic. No reading required. Abandonment of one medium in favor or others is shaping cognition in ways only now starting to be understood by media theorists, and while change is inevitable, it looks like forfeiture of our intellectual inheritance (notably, Enlightenment values) rather than progress.
Lastly, to keep this comment from being overlong, the idea that we share an “imperative that we must carry across the threshold of apocalypse” — some sort of post-apocalyptic social design — is ridiculous. With the natural world in freefall (full effects unknown, but worst case scenarios look likely), the idea that any of us now thinking about redesigning social organization will survive the bottleneck is, well, distinctly optimistic. That may be more Scranton’s idea, but it’s plain silly.
Deacon tries to find information in biology
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l-t7zFwNs1FCgkHSx94f4mgQlDZ5iidy/edit
https://www.researchgate.net/project/The-Hierarchically-Mechanistic-Mind
“Nevertheless, our species-typical capacity for depressed mood implies that it serves an adaptive function.” these folks are more given to empty speculation than archaeologists, for some more grounded modeling see:
http://ensoseminars.com/presentations/past
Very cool! Thank you Dirk.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-ai-revolution-the-road-to-superintelligence-823279599
and
https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
Most Three Pound Brain readers are familiar with the arguments, but for those who are not, this is a not unreasonable summary.
https://quillette.com/2018/08/18/the-forgotten-story-of-how-punching-up-harmed-the-science-fiction-fantasy-world/
An old friend of Bakkers is doing the rounds again…
Hype?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611808/the-neuropolitics-consultants-who-hack-voters-brains/
especially since this is the skill Kellhus used to launch his conquest.
(And is it just me or are a lot or articles about this sort of thing appearing on the internet lately?)
Our little cult got to motherfucking Henry Kissinger. And Robin Hanson is preaching pretty hard too, check this shit out:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/09/the-coming-hypocralypse.html
I think some people are starting to open their eyes and see the writing on the wall.
What a gem! The thing everyone’s still lacking though is a theory of cognition. He’s talking about the pervasive breakdown of human sociocognitive problem ecologies without realizing as much, and so misses the big connections.
Baudrillard called the semantic apocalypse something like the ‘radiant’ stage of meaning, wherein meaning inverts through its own exponential,viral, radiating reproduction. A reappropriation of the relationship between the sign and signified, via its reproduction – advertising.
Sounds like a sun going nova
https://www.jordanharbinger.com/mary-lou-jepsen-rob-reid-the-future-of-telepathy-and-affordable-healthcare/
Something for the TPB enthusiasts.
Scott,
I’m glad to see we’re both still hammering away at these issues. Humanism does take much for granted and so it’s a social convention that will strike radicals of different stripes as lame. For you, humanists presuppose the relevance of our intuitive self-image, even though cognitive scientists are finally explaining and re-engineering our true, biological nature. For me, humanists (and “new atheists”) whitewash the horrific philosophical implications of the scientific picture of where we stand with the world. For you, I take it, the semantic apocalypse can be only a matter of cause and effect, not the subject of a valid metanarrative, since philosophy and the humanities are illegitimate forms of metacognition, wedded as they are to obsolete or to imprecise ways of thinking. For me, there is a worthy form of philosophical reflection, one that takes the science as read.
This merit of philosophy is obscured if we put philosophy in a box labeled “Wannabe Science.” For example, you write, “Traditional philosophy is littered with bids to theorize and repair meaning. The very plasticity allowing for its rehabilitation also attests to its instability, which is to say, our prodigious ability to cook narratives up and our congenital inability to make them stick.”
That latter phrase presupposes that the narratives (as opposed to the scientific models and theories, principles and laws) are meant “to stick,” as in, I guess, becoming permanent due to their finally corresponding to the facts. Only the facts presumably don’t change (except there’s Heraclitus versus Plato), so if narratives were meant to cultivate our desires and character, to bring forth cultural variety in a tragically beautiful response to the indifferent universe, the impermanence of narratives would hardly be a failing. When a scientific model is falsified, it’s disposed of and forgotten because scientists are talking about the impersonal, relatively stable facts of nature. But who says metanarratives were always meant to correspond to facts, as opposed to having the practical function of regulating social behaviour?
You’ll say there’s no such thing as a personal nature over and above our biological one, and that that’s the point. If philosophy is about the search for a “worthy” way of life or if “meaning” has two senses, one semantic or semiotic (reference or associated content) and the other normative (meaning as value), then to that very extent philosophy and meaning would prove themselves outdated.
I wonder, though, why the causal account of personhood is supposed to embarrass philosophy and the humanities, whereas a strictly causal account of science wouldn’t likewise undermine science. If we think of our mind as a set of “scripts” being “cued” by invasive “systems,” as you put it, we lose the basis of our pride and so the low-information, anthropocentric society collapses. But why should high-information society fare any better? It’s not as if scientific theories would become “true” or the cognitive scientific metaconcepts of “systems,” “ecology,” and “information” would be awarded the least bit of merit once the intuitive self-image and vocabulary were discarded.
I agree with your intriguing statement, that “Thinking, genuine thinking, is a koan.” Indeed, I struggle to understand what we’re really doing when we take ourselves to be talking truthfully about the facts. I reject the correspondence theory of truth, not so much because it takes seriously the old-fashioned self-conception, but because it posits a happy relation of agreement between us and the world. That theory of truth isn’t horrific enough. I think scientific models are superior to pseudoscientific ones, if the goal is our empowerment, but if science is on the right track, none of what scientists say or do can really matter. If the world will discard our species and the whole history of the Anthropocene, leaving us in the dust in deep time, none of our statements can be said to have “agreed with” or “corresponded to” anything. We can’t have gotten the better out of the world.
But what is it to think precisely that humbling, anti-humanistic thought? Is the feeling of horror towards nature truer to the facts than even the most rigorous and precise scientific explanation? To think of where we’d stand in relation to the whole of natural reality, were we able to do so, should provoke awed silence and thus no attempt at theorizing or exploitation. Why, then, should humility in the face of science’s undermining of folk psychology cause especially humanists to cower before the looming semantic apocalypse, as though scientists and engineers and capitalists would be magically immune to that alienation? Why should we expect the death of the humanities in combination with the persistence of cognitive science, if what cognitive scientists are discovering about human nature should humble and terrify them just as much as anyone else? And wouldn’t a cosmicist philosophy that takes to heart this message of the call for holy terror in the Scientific Age enable us to live well (with honour, humility, compassion, albeit with no prospect for conventional happiness)?
Were we to dispense with the latter normative notions, we’d have to say we all live roughly the same way, so a Trump would be as good as a Gandhi. To make such an overgeneralization on something like evolutionary psychological grounds could be just to confess a lack of interest in the potential for further distinctions between social and ethical patterns, not necessarily to demonstrate greater cognitive precision. The AI or extraterrestrial that thinks all humans are essentially the same isn’t automatically superior in intellectual terms. It could be just that this inhuman creature wouldn’t care to investigate what goes on, morally or aesthetically speaking.
Ben! I can’t believe I missed this!
For me, the theoretical problem is just a precursor to the real problem, which is a concrete as can be. Understanding the mechanics of human sociocognition enables evermore manipulation of human sociocognition means the eventual doom of human sociocognition. I just don’t know how one goes about talking about the far side of the semantic apocalypse. Likewise, I don’t know how the proliferation of folk narratives cuts against, as opposed to facilitates, this process.
Off topic:
Scott, you were named checked in an article about Louisiana metal band Thou. Apparently, the vocalist sites you (and Thomas Ligotti) as an influence. https://www.treblezine.com/behind-the-mask-thou-interview-feature-dualities/
Awesome! Thank you for this Dharm!
This is a great piece.
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This article talks a bit about how technology is evolving so fast that jurisprudence can’t keep up and about some possible consequences of algorithms moving beyond human comprehension:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/29/coding-algorithms-frankenalgos-program-danger
How deployed are self driving cars? I had the impression it was still just a scattering of test subjects?
The problem isn’t code stacked on code, it’s people trusting (specifically trusting in order to gain more convenience) that somehow these machines are going to handle everything. Why do people believe that? The car just killed that lady – another self driving car killed its driver. I mean we made a big f’n deal about smoking being this deadly thing, but what’s happening here – nothing? I don’t even know why self driving cars are legal somehow – if you drive a regular car and use a mobile phone that is (here at least) a fineable offence. Why isn’t it classified by law as reckless driving by default? Because a company spouted a ‘self driving’ sales pitch? And suddenly law enforcement can’t handle that (ironically in much the same way a self driving car can’t handle novel situations)? How did ‘self driving AI’ get street legal already? Are people this stupid?
Comparison is the theif of joy.
https://www.timestalks.com/talks/yuval-noah-harari/
I’ve done MDMA, 5-MeO, Salvia, DMT, and weed all on the same night, and I actually inhaled…
More from YNH:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/14/yuval-noah-harari-the-new-threat-to-liberal-democracy
The Darkness that Comes Before, in YNH’s words:
“You don’t decide to be introvert or extrovert, easy-going or anxious, gay or straight. Humans make choices – but they are never independent choices. Every choice depends on a lot of biological, social and personal conditions that you cannot determine for yourself.”
Scott could almost have written this line himself:
“Ancient problems of philosophy are now becoming practical problems of engineering and politics. And while philosophers are very patient people – they can argue about something inconclusively for 3,000 years – engineers are far less patient. Politicians are the least patient of all.”
YNH might wind up being Scott’s Stigler’s Law beneficiary. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy)
Speaking of which, I just finished Echopraxia:
and I thought it was one of the best novels I’ve read recently.
I resigned myself to suffering a Stiglerian fate long ago. Fantasists cannot be allowed to school scientists! Yuval is always worthwhile reading, I find, though he too lacks the theory of cognition required to press his point home. Free will is just the granular surface of the problem–which he realizes I think.
I wouldn’t be surprised is he eventually worked his way around to something like Heuristic Neglect Theory.
It’s not always clear who we are.
https://mindbodyproblems.com/
Some experiences are worth a fin.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/oneness-weirdness-and-alienation/
More from YNH:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/14/yuval-noah-harari-the-new-threat-to-liberal-democracy
A darkness that comes before, in YNH’s words:
“You don’t decide to be introvert or extrovert, easy-going or anxious, gay or straight. Humans make choices – but they are never independent choices. Every choice depends on a lot of biological, social and personal conditions that you cannot determine for yourself.”
Scott could almost have written this line himself:
“Ancient problems of philosophy are now becoming practical problems of engineering and politics. And while philosophers are very patient people – they can argue about something inconclusively for 3,000 years – engineers are far less patient. Politicians are the least patient of all.”
YNH might wind up being Scott’s Stigler’s Law beneficiary. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy)
Also, by the way, I just finished Echopraxia:
and I thought it was one of the best novels I’ve read recently.
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